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SFRevu Interview with Robert J. Sawyer
by Ernest Lilley
From SFRevu December 1997 Vol. 1.6
Review of Robert J. Sawyer's Illegal Alien
Ace Science Fiction, Decmeber 1997, ISBN 0-441-00476-8, US$21.95, Cdn$30.95
by Ernest Lilley
Robert J. Sawyer, Nebula Award-winning author of
Factoring Humanity,
Starplex,
and the Quintaglio saga
(Far-Seer,
Fossil Hunter, and
Foreigner) boldly takes science-fiction readers
where they have never gone before the Los Angeles County
Courtroom. Illegal Alien is a cross
between a Perry Mason whodunit and a first contact novel, written
by an author in a position to comment on the American legal
system a Canadian.
When an extraterrestrial lander comes down off the coast of
Brazil and is greeted by the USS Kitty Hawk with a
presidential science advisor and a PBS astronomy show host for a
first contact team, things seem to be going really well for
interplanetary relations. The aliens are reasonable, friendly,
quick students of human language and custom and besides, they
need our help fixing their ship and are willing to share their
technology to get it done. Everything is going just fine, until
the PBS host turns up very dead in the complex the aliens are
staying in and from the evidence lying all over the dissected
body, including alien blood, you don't have to be O.J. Simpson's
lawyers to point a finger at our friends from the stars.
But this is California, where the laws of space and time may
apply but with the right legal team, anything can happen. Right?
Frank Nobilio, Presidential Science Advisor and friend of the
deceased, has to try to quietly engineer a verdict that won't
start an interstellar war while serving justice for his friend.
Finding out the truth might be nice if he can manage it too.
If you missed the O.J. Simpson trial, or if you miss its daily
appearance on the news, you can sit back with what must surely be
the trial of the millennia, when illegal aliens meet our justice
system. I enjoyed the story, reading it at one sitting,
(Objection! The reviewer stood up several times to stretch his
legs!...Sustained.) well, almost one sitting. This book would
make great reading while waiting to be rejected from a jury, in
fact it might pretty well ensure it from what Sawyer says about
the jury selection process.
After reading the testimony in the book, we hauled the author
in to answer a few questions concerning this and other acts of
Science Fiction he has perpetrated.
Interview with Robert J. Sawyer
Conducted by Ernest Lilley
SFRevu: Great job on
Illegal Alien. I make it a point
not to watch criminal proceedings on TV myself, but you certainly
seem to know a great deal about what goes on inside a courtroom.
Too much time watching O.J. or just good ol' research?
Robert J. Sawyer: Illegal Alien isn't so much a response to the
Simpson trial per se as it is my response to the
experience of watching the that trial or, indeed, any American
trial as a non-American. I'm sure the whole Simpson affair
was bizarre to Americans, too, but I am a Canadian, and so I was
looking at it from an outsider's perspective. And that thought
kept running through my mind: an outsider's perspective on
American justice. The title Illegal Alien popped
into my head, and the rest, as they say, is history.
As far as research is concerned, yes, I did tons of it. I went
to Los Angeles three times during the writing of that book, and I
sat in on trials in the Los Angeles County Criminal Courts
Building. I also read all kinds of books things with titles
like The Art Of Jury Selection and Techniques Of
Cross-Examination. And, as I always do, I enlisted experts
to help me out, including Ariel Reich, a practicing California
lawyer; Karl Fuss, who runs a court-reporting company; law
professors, and more. And, yes, I did have the Simpson trial
constantly running on the TV in my office . . .
SFRevu: OK, Robert, one more time. Where does one start when writing a
whodunit? Does the author know it was Col. Mustard in the Library
and work backwards to lead a trail up to the door? How much Erle
Stanley Gardner have you read?
Sawyer: Actually, I've never read any Erle Stanley Gardner, but my
mother was addicted to the Perry Mason television series;
it was on in our house all the time. But I do read a lot of
crime fiction; I was reading one of Ed McBain's Matthew Hope
courtroom dramas when the idea of doing Illegal
Alien occurred to me.
And, yes, really the only effective way to write a crime novel is
to know who did it and why before you start; you've got to plant
clues along the way, after all. I spent a lot of time trying
different scenarios before I came up with the one I settled on.
I won't give anything away, but readers familiar with my earlier
books, especially
Fossil Hunter, know that I've got a
fondness
for playing with Darwinian theory.
SFRevu: Last time we talked, you told me you were intent on doing
mainstream (if my memory serves me correctly). Since then I've
read Frameshift and Illegal Alien to
see how far you've gone. How far have you gone? How far will you
go? Is the Science Fiction tag on the spine hampering sales?
Also: How did Frameshift do?
Sawyer: Lots of good questions. I don't deny that for a long time I
wanted to break out into the mainstream, but I've had a change of
heart. Winning the Nebula Award was probably the decisive
factor, convincing me that writing science fiction was my first,
best destiny. Sure,
The Terminal Experiment,
Frameshift,
Illegal Alien, and the one I've got coming in June 1998 called Factoring Humanity could all be read
by any intelligent reader inside or outside the genre, but Starplex is also a recent book of
mine, and it's pure spaceships-and-aliens SF. I don't want to
give up writing about aliens or starships or time travel, and
I've discovered, to my shock, that books like
Frameshift difficult,
complex novels really do go over the
heads of mainstream reviewers; it seems the SF audience really is
more intelligent, and more interested in being made to think,
than the mainstream one is.
Still, as to whether that "Science Fiction" tag hampers sales,
I'm afraid the answer is probably yes. When Tom Doherty
Associates bought Frameshift, my editor the
terrific David G. Hartwell and I had some discussions about
where the book should be placed. Tom Doherty Associates has two
imprints: Tor, which they use for genre fiction, and Forge,
which they use for mainstream fiction. I wanted to be published
as Forge, but David said the rule is that if there's more than
one SF element, the book has to be Tor. Well,
Frameshift has cloning, breakthroughs in DNA
research, and a little bit of scientifically justified telepathy,
so that made it a Tor title. I've come around to thinking that
that's actually a fine thing, though. I'm making a comfortable
living writing SF partly due to the generosity of Tor, but
also do largely to my agent Ralph Vicinanza's ability to
aggressively place me in international markets, and my the work
of Brian Lipson, my Hollywood agent, in optioning film rights to
my books. Sure, I'll never become the next Michael Crichton by
staying a genre-SF author, but the publishing world is littered
with Michael Crichton wannabes who never caught on. It looks
like I'm going to have a long and comfortable career inside the
SF field, and I think I've become content to have just that.
As for how Frameshift did, the answer is very well
indeed: so well, in fact, that when Ralph went to Tor to
negotiate my next deal, they started out by offering double what
they'd paid me for Frameshift, without Ralph having
to say a word. Of course Ralph, being a great agent, got them to
go even higher.
SFRevu: The normal approach to expanding the readership of SF is to
try and hook young readers, Charles Shefield, Allen Steele and a
few others are trying to go this route. You, on the other hand,
seem to be trying to reach adult readers with techie stories that
happen to have SF elements in them. Am I right?
You're right, although I think
Far-Seer,
which I did early in my
career, could easily be read and enjoyed by teenagers indeed,
the New York Public Library called it one of 1992's best books
for teenage readers. When I started out writing SF novels, I do
think I was trying to re-capture the wonder I'd felt as a
teenager reading SF myself for the first time. But now, I am
indeed writing SF for a middle-aged audience. I know it turns
off some younger readers who have no interest in reading about
mid-life crises and marital problems. But in general the SF
audience is graying, anyway. I entered fandom in 1975, at the
age of fifteen, and I seemed to be about the average age of the
people I saw at SF conventions then. Now, it's 22 years later,
and I'm still the average age. The field IS growing up, which is
a fortunate thing for me, since I am indeed trying to write SF
novels for mature adults.
SFRevu: OK, I believe you can write stories without dinosaurs in them.
Don't you miss the cute guys just a bit? Will the Quintaglio
fleet ever reach Earth to see what the old neighborhood looks like?
Sawyer: I'm really amazed and very pleased by how much fan mail
I still get about
Far-Seer,
Fossil Hunter,
and Foreigner. I do
dearly love those characters, and hope to return to them someday.
But I'll tell you the honest truth: all three books are
out-of-print; Ace would either have to reprint them, or they'd
have to revert the rights to me so that I could sell them to
someone else, before I could contemplate doing more work in that
universe. That's not the answer the fans want to hear, but it is
the reality of the publishing game. I really do hope that
circumstances will allow me to write more about the Quintaglios
soon.
SFRevu: What are you up to now?
Sawyer: I'm about halfway through a novel with the working title of
Mosaic. It has to do with an experiment that
goes awry at CERN, causing the consciousness of everyone on the planet to jump ahead
twenty years for a period of five minutes. It's very much a
character-driven novel, but with lots of nifty physics thrown in.
It'll be out in hardcover from Tor in 1999.
SFRevu: Besides writing, what would like to do that you haven't yet?
Sawyer: I don't have many unfulfilled ambitions; I'm actually a very
happy and reasonably contented man. My wife Carolyn and I both
like to travel, and there are lots of places we haven't seen yet
but want to including Australia, which we'll be visiting for
the 1999 Worldcon. And one of these years, I'm going to take
part in a real dinosaur dig: Phil Currie at the Royal Tyrrell
Museum of Paleontology in the Alberta badlands is a friend of
mine, and he's invited me to come out sometime. It's just a
matter of scheduling; I'm sure that will happen someday. Also,
I've spent a lot of time teaching SF writing, but I've never done
it at Clarion or Clarion West; someday, I hope to get asked to
teach there I think it would be a fascinating experience.
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The first chapters of Illegal Alien
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